Difference Makers Podcast
We created this podcast in order to celebrate the lives and work of people who have transformed communities, businesses, and the wider world, making a real difference in the lives of others. We call them "Difference Makers". Some overcame great personal adversity in their journey. They all showed the knowledge, perspective, skills and capabilities to lead, to achieve, and to make real change when it is needed most. Oh, and by the way... they are all Chartered Accountants!
Find out more at https://www.charteredaccountantsworldwide.com
Difference Makers Podcast
From Zimbabwe to Perth: Tinashe's trailblazing career in Chartered Accounting
Explore the fascinating journey of Tinashe Kamangira, a trailblazer in the accounting world, who takes us from his roots in Zimbabwe to a thriving career in Perth, Australia. As the outgoing President of Chartered Accountants Australia and New Zealand (CA ANZ) and a Director at Deloitte, Tinashe offers a unique perspective on leadership and the cultural transitions that shaped his path.
He shares anecdotes about the golden era of his upbringing and the pivotal role sports and university life played in his integration into the Australian community, all while maintaining a strong connection to his heritage and family spread across the globe.
Uncover the challenges and triumphs of Tinashe's leadership journey, where resilience and encouragement became his guiding forces. His experience as the youngest chair of the Western Australian Council sheds light on the fresh insights young leaders bring to pressing issues like cost of living and housing. We also delve into the evolving landscape of the accounting profession, discussing initiatives aimed at increasing diversity and the introduction of non-degree routes into Chartered Accountancy, which aim to broaden access and attract talent from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.
Tinashe's passion for philanthropy and work-life balance shines through as he recounts his volunteering adventures with organizations like St Vincent de Paul and a charity in India. Through these experiences, he illustrates the vital role accounting skills play in supporting meaningful change and governance. He also shares the joys and challenges of fatherhood, emphasizing how quality time with his children enriches both his personal and professional life. This episode is a testament to the power of empathy, strategic thinking, and the profound impact of giving back to the community.
Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you are, and welcome to this edition of Charter Counts Worldwide Difference Makers Discuss. I'm delighted today to be chatting to Tinashe, who is the President of Charter Counts Australia and New Zealand and a Director in Deloitte. Now, this has been a long time in the making this discussion. I met Tinashe when I was down in Perth when I was President of Chartered Accountants Ireland in April, and to say I was bowled over by his joie de vivre, by his views for the profession and just by the energy he brings to everything he does is an understatement. So I said we needed to talk to him on this podcast because he is very definitely a difference maker. So I said we needed to talk to him on this podcast because he is very definitely a difference maker.
Sinead Donovan:So, Tinashe, I've given you two titles there President of Chartered Accountants Australia and New Zealand and Director in Deloitte. But you're also a dad, You're also heavily involved in the charity circuit and do so much more between. So, Tanasha, you're very welcome. I'm going to turn to you to kind of give us a whistle-stop tour as to your journey. I know you were born in Zimbabwe but now are based in Perth, so can you give us a whistle-stop tour from A to B and some of the key points along the way, and then we'll delve into them and examine.
Tinashe Kamangira:Sure, and thank you for having me. It's great to actually be in the same time zone. I think it would have been much more challenging if I was in Perth. I reckon so, and it was great to meet you as well in Perth. So I've had an amazing career. So, like you said, I was born in Zimbabwe, born in Zimbabwe in the 80s and so I don't really want to give away my age, but born in the 80s and lived in Zimbabwe in what I would reflect on as sort of a golden time for Zimbabwe. I went to school in Zimbabwe, had a great school that I went to St George's College, but it was sort of towards the end of the 90s where, you know, if things in Zimbabwe had stayed the same as they were, I would have stayed in Zimbabwe and worked for one of the big six accounting firms, you know.
Sinead Donovan:Arthur.
Tinashe Kamangira:Anderson was still there at the time and in fact I think Pricewaterhouse hadn't merged with Coopers. So that's what I would have gone on to do. But obviously the economic situation in Zimbabwe changed pretty dramatically and also pretty quickly. So in the end I ended up going to getting a place at a university one in England and one in South Africa and one in Perth. As a very young man, I think, I wanted to be as far away from my parents as possible, so I ended up picking a university in Perth studying accounting and finance in.
Tinashe Kamangira:Perth, so always been interested in businesses and how businesses work. In fact, I've actually just always wanted to be a chartered accountant I know not a lot of people can say that so I didn't sort of really fall into this. I just loved businesses. My dad worked in business and my mum ran a college as well in Zimbabwe, so that's how I got to Australia.
Sinead Donovan:So two key decisions there. You took Tinashe A to go to Perth and B to study accounting and finance. So tell us a bit about Perth. I mean, I've been there and I know what it's like. But huge difference, I would have thought, from Perth and Zimbabwe.
Tinashe Kamangira:Yes and no. So you know I'm blessed in so many ways. I, you know, knew what a scrum was in rugby. You know I knew where mid-wicket was on the cricket field. So in so many ways in fact a side story I was actually a scorer. I used to score cricket in high school. But, on a side note, those things were very helpful in terms of integrating into Australia. You know, you go to the pub or whatever, and you just mix and mingle with people and obviously didn't know much about Aussie rules, even though I'm now a die-hard Eagles fan, um, but that was very helpful. So in so many ways, you're young, um, it's really easy to connect with people and um, you're at university, it's fun, um, so got to meet a lot of people that way brilliant, so yeah.
Sinead Donovan:So, as you say, different cultures mix, different cultures collide, but if you can get a commonality there, that way, brilliant. So yeah, so, as you say, different cultures mix, different cultures collide, but if you can get a commonality there, that's a good, a good kind of introduction. So sport became your segue into into the community in the first instance.
Tinashe Kamangira:Yes, yes sport, and just you know we stayed on campus as well, which is really helpful, so you got to meet a lot of other students from you know all sorts of different backgrounds, whether it's from Malaysia or you know. I hadn't really met a lot of people from probably Southeast Asia at the time, so it was really good to connect with people and in fact, you know many of those people I'm still connected with today that I've met with university, even though they've gone over back to whether it's Singapore or Hong Kong, whatever it is.
Tinashe Kamangira:But university was a great way to actually connect with people.
Sinead Donovan:Fantastic. And do you still have family in Zimbabwe, Tanasha? I mean, do you go home much?
Tinashe Kamangira:Yeah, my parents are in Zimbabwe at the moment. I visited them just a few months ago as well, and they're probably at the stage where they know moving is probably harder than than it would be now at their age.
Sinead Donovan:but but they, they love it there and that's what they've grown up with.
Tinashe Kamangira:You know I get to see them probably almost every year. Um brother based in New York, um currently in Zimbabwe, and my sister is not far from here as well, so um, she's in Brighton in in in the UK, so we're sort of a little bit all over the place.
Sinead Donovan:Okay, so now you've completely confused the audience, because I need to now just tell the audience you're actually in London at the moment doing this podcast from London. So when you say near to here, brighton is not near to Perth, but near to London.
Tinashe Kamangira:I am in London and there is a blue sky, like I said, just outside of St Paul's, so it's beautiful, beautiful day here in London.
Sinead Donovan:Brilliant. And you're in London, I know, for the President's Dinner your President's Dinner there. So enjoy that first and foremost. But come here, talk to me. So you're a director in Deloitte and a lot of people and I'm going to kind of generalise here, but a lot of people kind of almost wait till they're at the very kind of senior levels of their career before they go and throw their hat in the ring for officer or president of a chartered body. You've absolutely booked that trend and have done it at a very I don't want to say young age, because you're so much wiser and mature than your age, but you have done it early on in your career. What drove you to get involved with the Institute?
Tinashe Kamangira:If I'm being honest, it's a lot of luck, right. But also, you know, I think I reflect on it and there were a lot of people that probably believed in me more than I even believed in myself along my career journey. So I joined the Young Chartered Accountants back in probably 2008 or 2009. And that was fantastic. Again, you get to meet and connect with so many different Young Chartered Accountants that end up, you know, going to do so many amazing things, right. So I did that. Young Chartered Accountants.
Tinashe Kamangira:I got an awesome opportunity when I was at Grand Thornton and I had a secondment in Sweden, so I spent some time in sort of Stockholm and Gothenburg, which you know opens your eyes up even more. You know you're in a different country, different language, and you know I reflect on the Swedes and how. You know they were so innovative you know whether it was Spotify back then just the way they ran their businesses. They could switch languages and meetings. You know just those sorts of things really. You know they have a real impact on your career and your trajectory back to Australia, and I was lucky enough in my sort of state council, I got to go on to the local West Australian council and actually ended up being the chair of the West Australian council, so very young as well, probably the youngest ever at the time, and you know that wasn't easy either. I think I lost a couple of elections as well. So it's not like I just got into a role and, you know, like, even though I was lucky but I did lose a couple of elections. In fact I reflect on something where, to get onto what we call the big council in Australia, one of the people I was competing with had to go overseas on a trip the day of the vote or the week of the vote. And in so many ways I was lucky because I was able to present in person, and that made a difference in terms of my own case to get onto the big council. And there's a past president you know who I really respect Peter Rupp, who's always encouraged me through my journey, and you know he's always said and you know it's a famous saying but the harder you work, the luckier you become. And that is what's happened in my career. I've worked pretty hard, I've been lucky and I've always taken opportunities. So, you know, even though some people might decide to take on these roles at a much, you know, much later stage in their career.
Tinashe Kamangira:I always felt it was quite important to show people that you know if I can do it, they can, and so you know me taking on this role as president. It is a big commitment, right. It takes time away from family, takes time away from friends and from you know your day job, but I thought it was quite important for people to be able to see that you know we can do that sort of thing, especially because of where our profession is Right and I look at it's probably the same here. But you know, attracting people to our profession is really important and we want to attract people that can see themselves in the future leaders of the profession, right. So I get much, you know, I get a lot of.
Tinashe Kamangira:When I meet with young people, I've had opportunities to go to schools and for a lot of them, when I tell them that I'm the president of Chartered Accountants, it's a little bit of a shock, I must say, but it's also heartening, so that they can see that you know that they can do it too, um, and that that's always been really important in terms of taking on on the role or the roles at the time 100 agree with you and I mean, look, I, I just want to say I think you're an amazing ambassador for the profession and and people can absolutely see themselves in you.
Sinead Donovan:But look, there's, there's so much there that you've said that I want to try and unpack. So I I jotted down two things in particular. Um, one was the fact that you obviously seize the day and grab opportunities when they come towards you. So I mean, you mentioned going to to Sweden with Grant Thornton, which I suspect was probably pushing yourself out of your comfort zone at the time and moving on to that, and then it was standing for elections. And the second thing I jotted down was was losing elections, and and that's something that's really hard to come back from. First off, it's hard to put yourself forward for elections, but secondly, it's hard to come back from from losing an election. So can can you talk to me a little bit about what you know, those those sliding door moments in your life where you've grasped an opportunity? You've mentioned Sweden, but maybe some other things and then what drove you, when you lost elections, to keep going? Because you know, you know that takes a lot of strength to keep going.
Tinashe Kamangira:Yeah, I'll probably start off with the election, and I remember I presented and obviously I didn't win, but someone took me aside straight after the election and said to me it's just not your time right now, but keep going with with this.
Tinashe Kamangira:And it was literally five minutes after the election.
Tinashe Kamangira:In fact, I remember it like it was yesterday, because it was the day that Donald Trump actually won the first, his first election in 2016. So so, so it was that day and you know, obviously a lot was going on, um, but just the fact that someone took me aside and said, no, it's okay, you did really well, it's just not your time now that was the. It just made me really reflect and think that, oh, okay, it's not, it's just not my time, but you've got to keep going and keep trying and and and you know, you put yourself forward for those things, because I always find that you know, when you're a little bit out of your comfort zone, that's actually when you, to be honest, do a lot of growth and growing. That is when you learn a lot, when you're very comfortable. I find that I like challenges. In everything I've done throughout my career, I've always looked for that extra challenge, going up for that election and losing helped me next time around Right and because I was able to present better.
Tinashe Kamangira:I was able to actually articulate my value proposition much better as well the second time around.
Sinead Donovan:Doesn't it absolutely show as well the importance of you know an encouraging word at the right time? You know that that person actually took you aside and had, you know, just had the three or four minutes to say that to you, which probably had a big impact on you. So, you know, I think that's something to take from that. So, yeah, and so you stood again and then you became the youngest ever chair of the Western Council. Is that right?
Tinashe Kamangira:Yes, that's right, youngest chair of the Western Australian Council. And it was an amazing opportunity. Right, because it's, yes, it is the local state, but you got to meet, you know, premiers and business leaders and got to mix with so many people in our profession. And, and again, it is you know they come into a meeting and you know it's the premier of the state or whatever, and you know, young person is chairing the meeting is always a little bit um, but it's good because then you can provide insights from a different perspective.
Tinashe Kamangira:Um, and quite often you know I'm sure it's the same here, but you know things like and this isn't reflecting on it now but things like cost of living and housing. You know, those are really important things for young people today and sometimes, as you get older, you're not as impacted by some of those changes that people are living to from a day-to-day perspective. So, being able to I've always loved the fact that I've been able to straddle what I'd call relatively early career people and, um, some of them are experienced members as well and being able to bring some of those perspectives to some of our discussions, and I think it's really important yeah, it is.
Sinead Donovan:it's really important to kind of represent your, your constituent members. But come here talk to me a bit about that. So, at the start of a meeting and and suddenly there's that moment where maybe someone's looking at you going gosh, he's very young, you know, really you know and I think we've all had that, I've certainly had it as a female earlier on in my career and people come in and I'd be maybe the only female in the room and they'd have that. There is that instant where you need to use that to your advantage to say, ok, I'm actually, I'm actually going to do this now. How did you ever have those moments of doubts, though, when you thought, oh, am I going to manage this?
Tinashe Kamangira:A little bit but in some ways maybe actually thrive on that A little bit. That you know those moments of self-doubt, but I quite often just reflect on, once you start talking to people about whatever their issues are, and they start understanding that actually this person knows what they're doing, they get over it pretty quickly and that's very helpful. So that's one thing I found and you know, as you know in your role as well, as you would have experienced. You know we're membership bodies, so we sometimes deal with some challenging issues with members, but we shouldn't be afraid to have those difficult conversations. Membership bodies, so we sometimes deal with some challenging issues with members. Um, yeah, but that we shouldn't be afraid to have those difficult conversations, and and I always um try to have those conversations as early as possible, because I just find once you talk to people, um, it changes the dynamics um.
Tinashe Kamangira:You know, we live in an era where, um, unfortunately, whether it's social media or people writing you emails like you would have received over your time, if you have a conversation with someone face-to-face, it's actually quite often very different and very helpful.
Sinead Donovan:So, tinashe, you mentioned there about two things really, I suppose, some of the issues that that we maybe take on when we're president of of the chartered bodies, but also the attractiveness of the profession. And I know that this year you, you know, took on the communication of a route into the profession in Cairns being the non-degree route, which personally I think is amazing and will lead to diversity in the profession and increase the attractiveness. But talk to me a little bit about that A your decision and the rationale around that, and B, maybe some of the challenges that you got from members about it.
Tinashe Kamangira:Yeah, so the decision is really based around that attractiveness piece, right, we're trying to attract more people to our profession and you know, when we sit around the board table it's about how can we do that. And you know there's multiple things that we're doing, whether it's campaigns at the cinemas, for example. But also, you know, this pathway has actually always existed in Australia and New Zealand. It's just that we probably hadn't highlighted it initially and we recognize that our pathway actually took too long, right. So this new pathway that we announced which you know inevitably because Australia and New Zealand most people come through that business commerce degree pathway I think rightly so A lot of members were a little bit surprised initially, but when you start talking to our members about you know the challenges that we're facing, they're much, much more understanding. To our members about you know the challenges that we're facing, they're much, much more understanding.
Tinashe Kamangira:So, you know, 10 years ago, 83% of students finished high school in Australia. That's down to 73% today. So the people going into university there are less people going into the universities, and even the universities themselves are changing the pathways for people to come into the universities, right, so they're giving places to students while they're still in school, for example, they're not waiting until the results have been released. So there's this pipeline issue of people coming into the profession and you know I've been fortunate to go to a few schools to talk to them about accounting. Recently I went to one school in a lower socioeconomic area in Western Australia and the teacher said, out of all the students doing their year 12, less than a third of those students would even consider or choose to go to university. So from a professional perspective, if we can give some of these students the opportunity to earn and learn, for example, that gives them more of an opportunity, like I've said before, to give them the same opportunities that I've had as a chartered accountant and the same opportunities that you've had to work with some great people, great clients, to travel and just to enjoy the benefits of being a chartered accountant in this world.
Tinashe Kamangira:But one of the other things it does what it's done is just from an Australia and New Zealand perspective is our First Nations people. So whether you come from a Pacifica background in New Zealand or an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander background in Australia, you know we just don't have enough of those members in our profession, right? So this opens up a pathway where someone can finish school and start to learn and earn and get some work experience. I always laugh at this Sinead because this is because this is a statistic that I still find really humbling. And there are probably more chartered accountants in Australia that were born in Zimbabwe than there are that come from an Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander background Wow, so that's a big statistic.
Tinashe Kamangira:So we need to do more in terms of attracting Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people into our profession and there's lots big statistics. So we need to do more in terms of attracting um aboriginal and tourist trade islander people into our profession, and there's lots that we're doing. But this isn't going to be a you know it's. It's, in fact, you're sort of. One of the things I'm going to continue advocating for and working on after this role is how we can get more indigenous people into our profession and how it can help with that.
Sinead Donovan:That is amazing and look hats off to you, and I know that you got some. You know some interesting media articles when this kind of hit the media, and I thought the way that Cairns dealt with it was phenomenal and explained the rationale as to why you've done it and why you're promoting it. It's really fascinating, though. I mean the issues that Cairns are experiencing are the same issues that we're experiencing here in Ireland that you know. I know some of our sister bodies in Singapore or South Africa or around the world are experiencing, and to me, those challenges bring with it a huge opportunity for us to have a truly global voice, and I know Chartered Accountants Worldwide are our vehicle for that. But, tinashe, how important to you is the, I suppose, the voice and the perception and the truth that Chartered Accountancy is absolutely a global profession?
Tinashe Kamangira:It's so important, right. I've had the opportunity to talk to our colleagues, whether it's in South Africa, like you said, Singapore, whether it's in Hong Kong, here in the UK. It's so important to have that unified voice, and I've had the opportunity over the last couple of days to speak to some of our you know, some of our team members that are working on these initiatives of having that stronger voice, having a consistent, some consistent language about our profession. You know, being a chartered accountant is actually pretty awesome, right.
Tinashe Kamangira:It is pretty awesome and we just need to continue to help sell the story. So, you know, one of the things we need to do better at as chartered accountants is be better storytellers. And once we tell people about the stories that we encounter with our clients, with our people, with our teams and some of the complex and exciting work we get to do, you know we won't have any problems attracting people to our profession if we can help tell our stories much better. And that's, you know, one of the things that I'm working on as well with our teams is just, you know, with these campaigns right, that we're all working on together to help lift our profession.
Sinead Donovan:Yeah, yeah, and you've got it in one. I mean we have so much to offer. We are actually a marketeer's dream, if the truth be known. I mean the perception that we're boring or we're very narrow or we're focused just on numbers. It is so far from the truth. I mean we're embedded in everything. We're embedded in the biggest mergers and acquisitions, we're embedded in the development of AI, we're embedded in the sustainability journey and I mean I think, yeah, I think you're right, it's about storytelling, but storytelling the truth, not storytelling a fiction, storytelling the truth. So, look, I think it's great and I think the more global we make this story, the better.
Sinead Donovan:Tinashe, I'm going to touch on two more things before we kind of start closing this out. I know you have a huge passion for I want to say not-for-profit, for volunteering, for I mean your CV is phenomenal. I mean you've been involved in the Society for Vincent de Paul for a long number of years and I mean sit on the National Audit and Risk Committee. But you know it's obviously a passion of yours, and I know there's other charity or not-for-profit organizations you're involved in. Can you give us, you know, three or four minutes on the driving force that you have there?
Tinashe Kamangira:Yeah, and it's I've always wanted to give back and it's something that I probably just got from my parents actually is always giving back. So I was a volunteer for St Vincent de Paul and, you know, just used to volunteer and I made I call it the mistake of telling people I was an accountant and you know, and that's one of the things about our profession, right, um, whether you are, you know, there's accountants in every aspect. Whether you're on the football, the treasurer of the football team or the netball team, you know they're all chartered accountants. Um, so, but one of the things I wanted to really do was, you know, with an organization like that, it's got so much history and there's so much good works that it does Quite often some of these organizations don't get the same benefits of getting people with the skills that we have and bringing those to the table and just lifting up, whether it's governance, whether it's just thinking differently in terms of how we help people, and so I've been really passionate. I still volunteer, I still go and do, I still volunteer, I still go and do food drop-offs and things like that, which is, you know, still also grounds me and is really important to see some of the challenges that other people are facing. So you know, vinny's has been amazing for me as well. As much as I've contributed to Vinny's, I've learned so much from that experience and life. You know this circle of life is so interesting. I was talking to my mother she was in Perth a couple of months ago and she said you know you wouldn't believe this, but your grandfather actually used to volunteer for Vinnies. You know something like that that I had no idea about. But I guess it's just that part of giving back.
Tinashe Kamangira:I also get to work with a small charity in India, in Kolkata, and we do a few amazing things and that charity is quite different because with very little money you can have such a huge impact. We have three programs. One is we provide food to some people outside the Seattle Station in Calcutta. We sponsor a school in a remote area and that school is really about children that come from different backgrounds and how can we integrate them into the school system. So we run a class in the morning before they go on to school to help them out with that and what that does is it helps us with the next program, which is about how we support and sponsor young women to go through after school, to go through whether they want to be a nurse or anything like that.
Tinashe Kamangira:But it just and you know I reflect on my time going to India and you see one of those, you know one of those students, and you see them come out the other side and they, you know you go to their house five years ago. And then you go to their house now and you know we were actually going to change our name to the Open Windows Charity because one of the girls went to their house. They didn't have a window. She's moved to another house and they've got windows. It's really small things but that makes such a huge difference. And being able to use your skills as an accountant whether it's through fundraising or just again governance is so amazing in terms of the impact we have as a profession on other people's lives.
Sinead Donovan:Yeah, tanasha, that's amazing. I think that's the euthana mission. Is that? Is that the the mission? Yeah, no, it's, it's phenomenal, if people want to want to look it up.
Sinead Donovan:And to nashia, just well done and thank you for that. I I think what you've picked out there is two things one, the impact that we can have quite easily or quite effectively on on other communities, and two, I think it's the value set of chartered accountants that, as you say, quite often in a lot of these communities, um, chartered accountants are in the middle of it all. So, um, so I think that's something we should, all you know, be, be very mindful of and try and and keep keep going. So so well, done on on that. Um, final thing I want to talk about you are a dad. You're a dad to two, two young, young, young children, and what resonated with me a lot when I met with you in april was um, you know, you're very proud of the time you spend with your children and I think you take, I think you take one day a week. Is that right, you?
Tinashe Kamangira:you don't yes, on tuesdays, that's, that's my day with the boys, so I'm not off to the swimming pool, normally I'm wrangling the two of them to a playground or I'm doing a different thing and it's it's again. It is one of those things where you know, shanae, you've worked in organizations that have policies and procedures and um, but as leaders you actually have to role model those so that people just because, yeah, most organizations might have a policy that says you can do this, but as leaders we have to live them so that our people can actually see us doing those things. So I don't work on a Tuesday, I have my out of office on a Tuesday and I get to spend time with my two boys.
Tinashe Kamangira:You know, and for me it's been really good because it's also given me an appreciation in terms of how, you know, other people have the challenges that other team members have to go through. Right, I look at some of the working moms that we have in my team and they're so amazing and you know they probably do that every day and you know I do it one day a week. So it's given me a little bit of an insight into some of those challenges and it's probably made me reflect on how I lead my teams.
Tinashe Kamangira:So if someone in my team is away on a certain day, no matter what it is. I won't email them because I know that they're busy doing something else and I want them to enjoy that time with um, their, their children or their family and their friends, because, you know, you don't, they're not young um for very long yeah um, you know, I took a direct flight from Perth to Paris.
Tinashe Kamangira:That was 17 hours. That felt like a lifetime, but that was okay, though, you get to spend time with them and you know your children are a bit older now, but you know, I think everyone keeps telling me that they grow up really fast, so I'm trying to enjoy the time that I have with them now as well.
Sinead Donovan:Well, well done you, them now as well. Well, well done you. And I mean for what you've said there, that quite often our role as leaders needs to be in showing an example and actually living, living um, some of the, the policies that we implement, is is so true, and I suspect what you're doing in deloitte and certainly for the profession, by demonstrating that um is going to help hugely. And yet, do enjoy the time of them, because I, my, my daughters, are now 14 and 16 and I'm dealing with a whole other world of pain, but enjoy them whilst they're so little.
Sinead Donovan:Tinashe, you are amazing. You are a role model for people in the profession, for people in general. I know you've got a few weeks left of your year and I know you've still a few more things to achieve, and I want to congratulate you on your year and I want to, you know, wish you the best for the next few weeks. I dread to kind of end the conversation with an open question, but I'm dying to know what's next, because you know, I'm guessing you're going to keep pushing into the, the next, next growth zone, the next, out of your comfort zone. Do you have any thought processes to what's next or are you going?
Tinashe Kamangira:to take it as it comes.
Tinashe Kamangira:So I've got a few weeks to go and I've got a few member events that I'm really looking forward to attending because, um, that's also one of the things that gives me energy some of our new member events and some of our milestone celebrations, um, but, um, I am really looking forward to taking some time off and not getting on a plane over christmas and january, um, and spending some time with the family and friends.
Tinashe Kamangira:Um, you know, because you do make some sacrifices and some of those sacrifices have meant that I haven't got to spend as much time with, um, some of the people I really care about. So I'm going to the gym. I haven't gone to the gym as much as I'd have loved to go. So, just looking to take a little bit of a break and take and take stock and just really looking to continuing to, you know, make this and help this profession be better and, you know, just help lead and, like I said, I don't have really anything planned just yet. Just looking to take some time away, spend it with some family and friends, but also just looking to see how I can continue to advocate and, yeah, help our profession for the future.
Tinashe Kamangira:But I also just want to say thank you for everything you've done for our profession, profession for the future. But I also just want to say thank you for everything you've done for our profession. You know, I met you in April and that was amazing and I've continued to follow you in your journey as well. So you're a real leader for our profession and a real trailblazer. So thank you for everything you've done. And you know, to the many people that have wished me well, I want to say you know I haven't gotten to every single LinkedIn message wished me well. I want to say you know I haven't gotten to every single linkedin message, but I will get to one to them at some point. But, um, just been, I've been really honestly humbled by, um, maybe the impact that taking on this role probably has that it's much much, much more than I imagined.
Tinashe Kamangira:and, um, I am sad to you know this coming to an end, but it's also a great opportunity for someone else to carry on and help us lead the profession, because that's the one thing I sort of do enjoy is that you can give it on to the next person and then they can carry on as well in their own different way, so yeah, yeah, it's been amazing. It's been awesome.
Sinead Donovan:It has been awesome and well done to you, and thank you so much for everything and enjoy your time off. Enjoy I know you've got a week's holiday there with the kids, so enjoy that. And thank you for your time today and for everything you've done over the year. So well done, thank you. Thank you to the audience for staying with us to the end of this podcast and I wish you all well and hopefully see you next time. Thank you.
